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03 February 2012 @ 01:08 pm
Deja vu..John Terry stripped of England captaincy.  
• Chelsea defender informed of FA decision this morning
• 'He will not captain the team until the allegations are resolved'

John Terry, England captain

John Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy by the Football Association's chairman, David Bernstein. The defender was informed of the decision by Bernstein in a phone call on Friday morning. It is the second time that he has lost the captaincy for off-the-pitch reasons.

"Following the decision to adjourn the court case against John Terry to July, the Football Association confirm he will not captain the England team until the allegations against him are resolved," the FA said in a statement.

"The FA board expected the trial to be concluded prior to the European Championships. Further to Wednesday's confirmation that the trial will not take place until after the tournament, the board has discussed the matter in detail and has collectively decided it is in the interests of all parties that John has the responsibilities of captaincy removed at this time.

"This decision has been taken due to the higher profile nature of the England captaincy, on and off the pitch, and the additional demands and requirements expected of the captain leading into and during a tournament.

"The FA board can confirm that he has not been excluded from the squad and that [the England manager] Fabio Capello is free to select him for the Holland [friendly] fixture on 29 February and the European Championships.

"FA chairman David Bernstein has spoken to both John Terry and Fabio Capello to explain the facts to them. Fabio Capello has not been involved in The FA board discussions which reached this conclusion, but understands that The FA board has authority to make this decision. Fabio Capello will take the decision as to who will be made captain moving forward.

"This decision in no way infers any suggestion of guilt in relation to the charge made against John Terry. The FA will be not be making any further comment on this matter."

The decision was made by Bernstein after discussion with the other members of the FA's 14-strong board on Thursday. Terry himself is not expected to responded to the news immediately.

It was announced on Wednesday that Terry's trial for racially abusing the Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game played last October had been scheduled for 9 July. This left the Chelsea centre-back free to represent and possibly captain his country at Euro 2012, which ends a week earlier.

But anti-racism campaigners were among those who insisted that a footballer should not lead his country while facing charges of such magnitude. "The seriousness of the allegations mean that he can't lead the nation," said Piara Powar, executive director of Football Against Racism in Europe. "The FA must do the right thing."

Capello is out of the country and due to return to watch a Premier League game on Saturday. He had selected Terry for the matches against Spain and Sweden last November despite the allegations, after consulting senior figures at the FA including Bernstein. "We need to wait what will happen about the FA investigation and the police investigation, but I can tell you he is innocent until proven guilty," the Italian said at the time. "This is a really important thing for me and the FA."

Terry has consistently denied racially abusing Ferdinand. "I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence," he said when the criminal charge was announced in December. "I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society." Terry's barrister on Wednesday entered a formal not guilty plea at Westminster magistrates court.

It is the second time that Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy, the previous occasion coming in 2010 after intense speculation about the player's private life.


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elizaberglundelizaberglund on February 3rd, 2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
While I recognize that rassism is a serious issue and I understand that this case would not end up in court if they did not have at least some sort of reasonable evidance agaist him, I believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Don't get me wrong, I don't even like tha guy but I believe what happened here is not fair.
marsykemarsyke on February 3rd, 2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
I have to admit I have problems with that. But I can understand that the FA don't want someone who is charged with racism to lead their country. The captain of the team is always more in the centre of attention and having him accused of racism could cast a shadow over the rest of the team.
The English have a tradition of being more in the news about their off-field adventures in a tournament than the actual football they play. I think the FA merely wants to avoid a bit of those problems.
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Lizgrrliz on February 3rd, 2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
Guilty or not, this case was going to be a huge media distraction if Terry remained captain, so this is clearly the right decision. But I also call shenanigans on Terry's case getting pushed back until both the season and Euros are over, beacuse that seems oddly convenient.

I was reading some of the comments on the BBC website, which were hilariously optimistic of needing someone to replace Terry who could lead England to victory. Um, England is not going to win Euro, guys.
Naomishadow_sea on February 3rd, 2012 01:20 pm (UTC)
Wonder who Capello will choose to replace him? I see Rio Ferdinand has already ruled himself out, hopefully Stevie will too. It should go to one of the younger players I reckon, someone like Joe Hart. He's a really good player who should be in the team for a long time and he seems like a really nice guy as well.
an invisible monsterohbubbajoan on February 3rd, 2012 01:26 pm (UTC)
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Chiarakiaretta985 on February 3rd, 2012 01:21 pm (UTC)
I think it's the right decision, if he's proven innocent he can have it back.
The question is: who's going to take the armband? Stevie G? Scott Parker?
elizaberglundelizaberglund on February 3rd, 2012 01:32 pm (UTC)
Well, I don't have an opinion about wherether he is guilty or not but the "if he's proven innocent..." . Come on! Shouldn't a person be considered innocent until proven guilty not the other way around? This is a basic principle of modern western law! If it was me, if I had been in his situation and was innocent and stripped of captaincy and than the court would rule that I'm not guilty , I would not accept the armband back.

I'm not defending Terry in the case of rassim. To be honest I don't even like the guy and I don't have enough knowledge of this case to assume anything but this is a matter of basic principles.
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_ _ _ _bluemeadow13 on February 3rd, 2012 01:25 pm (UTC)
Probably for the best, those press conferences during the last international break was so awkward and uncomfortable.

I am annoyed that the trial won't be until July. Why the hell did Gourley push for it. I guess he doesn't give a fuck about the NT but now the club will have this hanging over us for the rest of the season.
an invisible monsterohbubbajoan on February 3rd, 2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
i don't get why he'd be called up in the first place anyway
Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:21 pm (UTC)
Me either, tbh. It's not like he's legally contracted to play.
Wattle: Misha Collins - !!wattle_neurotic on February 3rd, 2012 01:28 pm (UTC)
Does the FA ever completely make their mind up about anything?

This has been handled so poorly from beginning to...well, not quite end :/

It is a good idea for Terry to not be in the media spotlight as much during the Euros. But the way this has been 'he will be Captain until the trial is over!' to 'oh sorry no he won't' is just ridiculous.

It is also ridiculous the trial isn't for another 5 months. This whole thing has dragged on long enough, it needs a resolution ASAP, not when it's convenient for Chelsea's playing fixtures (saying that as a Chelsea supporter). It's such a distraction.
Спортивный кошковедhatte_matte on February 3rd, 2012 01:34 pm (UTC)
Терри - хуй!

Terry is prick!
Terry is gey!
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jackjonesie: ruudjackjonesie on February 3rd, 2012 01:43 pm (UTC)
Phil Jones = instantcaptain.
Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:20 pm (UTC)
xue: glamsukha4 on February 3rd, 2012 01:55 pm (UTC)
Are the FA not even going to investigate the matter at all? The CPS already said there is no legal reason that stops them from conducting their own investigation.

Edited at 2012-02-03 01:56 pm (UTC)
Wattle: Chelsea - ground hugwattle_neurotic on February 3rd, 2012 01:57 pm (UTC)
I thought they said they were going to investigate it after the police had...interesting nothing has bee said so far :S
(no subject) - verses on February 3rd, 2012 09:03 pm (UTC) (Expand)
noodlecookienoodlecookie on February 3rd, 2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
I won't lie, strange timing by the FA in my opinion. And SSN are saying Capello didn't have anything to do with the decision either. All very strange.
dia_5dia_5 on February 3rd, 2012 02:07 pm (UTC)
i understand the whole "innocent until proven guilty" but i dont think it matters alot in this case. i mean, they're not punishing terry or finding him guilty, it is simply that there is too many allegations and issues surrounding him which is why he should step down as captain. A captain, especially in england's case as they think its so important, should be respected and be a role model on and off the pitch and all these allegations surrounding terry means that there would be way too much drama aqnd too much stress, even on him. The first time the captainsy was taken of him was because of allegations too, nothing was proven (i think) so this is similar to that. it's simply a case of leading by example and not having someone with so many issues and bad publicity around him to be captain.
i think the main stupidity here is having the case after the tournament, i mean why wait? they should've had the trial and, if he is innocent, clear his name!
Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
Delaying the case on the basis of Euros is so bizarre. Delaying a case for fact-finding? Okay. But because of a sporting event? I'm trying to imagine an American football player being charged with a hate crime and being like "Wait, wait, the Superbowl's in 6 months, can we do it after that?"
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Redallinred on February 3rd, 2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
How he's even managed to cling on to the captaincy after all the drama of the past few years, idk.
queenanna90queenanna90 on February 3rd, 2012 03:34 pm (UTC)
womp womp
Lydia: Football // Over the line and far awaylexia269 on February 3rd, 2012 03:46 pm (UTC)
I've got to say I think it's the right thing. I'm all for innocence until proven guilty but there has been so much coverage of this that people would be lying if they said it's not going to cause at least some tension in the dressing room. It would be nice for once to go into a tournament with a team that actually thinks of itself as a team and I think with him as captain there would be extra unneeded stress.

Plus there's the obvious fact that he is going to be badgered with this left, right and center at every press conference he has to do (whether they ban questions on it or not) and as Captain he would have them every few days in a tournament which is not going to help him concentrate on his own performance.

Interesting to see Rio refusing to take the captaincy in his stead; not surprised after the way he was treated by Capello last time though.
candyrushh: pic#109204785candyrushh on February 3rd, 2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
this is so stupid.
personally, all players on the squad have an equal amount of responsibility an such.
the captain is no greater an individual on the team then the other players.
so if he's not good enough to be captain, why is he good enough to be on the team at all?
this is why the decision is such a farce because it makes no sense.
either he stays on the team or he's not on it at all.

Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
You're basically saying if anybody is ever stripped of the captaincy for anything, they should be kicked off of the whole team?
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Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:32 pm (UTC)
Suarez requested the delay, actually.
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brinnande ljusvindictaa on February 3rd, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
The FA have made such a fucking mess with this whole situation. In the end, it is the right decision to strip him of his captaincy. But how am I suppose to that that decision seriously when the FA chose to delay the trial until July, after the Euros, because THE PLAYERS ARE SOOOO BUSY WITH FOOTBALL RN. Are they fucking kidding? The FA take one step forward and ten back, honestly. It makes a mockery of the seriousness of the situation for them to do this.

They might as well make the trial date June 20 because we all know England will be home by then anyways.
Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
Wait, wait, didn't the CPS delay the trial?
(no subject) - vindictaa on February 4th, 2012 04:02 am (UTC) (Expand)
Jake Gyllenhaal's merkinblack_swan87 on February 3rd, 2012 05:23 pm (UTC)

future england captain y/y?
Naomishadow_sea on February 3rd, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
Fuuuuuuuuuuck, he's so hot. Bit old though, would rather they made someone younger captain.
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masterofhentzau: ENGERLANDmasterofhentzau on February 3rd, 2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
Good. I thought it was unfair to take the captaincy away from him over the wayne bridge stuff but it's embarrasing having him as captain and a representative for england while this is going on.
Laurenblackjedii on February 3rd, 2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
Broke my browser too... curse you Chelsea player!!

It is a good decision. Captain is an honorary thing and I can aleeady imagine english press spending all their time asking terry about that instead of the team itself. Whether he is innocent or not, itwould still happen. And he does not get paid more as captain, and he does not necessarily get the best promotional deals so yeah.
I am just mildly amused to see a non Lahm captain fuss well this one os far more serious but... I am down with Joe Hart as the new captain

Until Englad loses and they flay him alive at least. :/
Rachelverses on February 3rd, 2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
How hard is this so hard for some people to understand? If a police officer is arrested for allegedly beating a black man, he's put on leave – because it would cause serious problems to have him in a position of authority over others pending criminal charges of abusive behavior. This isn't akin to the Wayne Bridge scandal, because what he did in that instance was not an alleged crime. This is an alleged crime that directly involves abuse against another footballer. In what universe would it be good for the team for him to be in a position of authority before this is resolved?
fugitive from an mgmt videoyeats on February 3rd, 2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
hahahaha the sad thing is, a lot of cops wouldn't even be suspended from their duties during an investigation -- because the police are really fucking awful when it comes to race too.

i agree with you 1,000% though.
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Like a magpie I live for glitter, not youmelj1213 on February 3rd, 2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
I think Terry screwed himself over in all of this tbqh. He could have very easily gained some credibility by doing the decent thing and voluntarily stepped down until the case had been resolved, then giving the FA a loophole to reinstate him. In many jobs a person under investigation like this would be suspended till it was concluded, but then if the charges were dropped/the person found innocent then they would be reinstated.

All it would take would be a statement like "It is with regret that I find myself having to stand down temporarily as England captain until the case against me has been resolved. Because I didn't want to cause any unnecessary distraction to the manager, my fellow players or anyone within the England camp in the run up to Euro 2012 and so I can concentrate on my case, it is in everyone's best interests for me to stand down as England captain at the present time."

Many people would have applauded his honesty and given him a sliver of credit and it would have made it very easy for him to be re-instated at a later date should the FA have wanted to - but now, by not taking the initiative to "fall on his sword" as it were, he's painted himself into a corner and forced the FA to act and screwed himself over.
ieee802ieee802 on February 3rd, 2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
wonder whose big idea it was in the first place to push the hearing until after the euros. the JT camp, me thinks.
le_grapefruitle_grapefruit on February 3rd, 2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
Question... has Ferdinand ever filed a complaint? I thought a QPR fan (lol) made the statement Terry racially abused Anton.
John Terry is not one of my favourite people,however he was the the last decent captain we had in a long time.
Yes, that includes Rio. Yes, this includes Gerrard.
I hope this doesn't mean Gerrard will be the captain again, god.
Rachelverses on February 4th, 2012 01:57 am (UTC)
Ferdinand filed a complaint with the FA, a QPR fan filed a complaint with the police. Ferdinand has given statements to both the FA and the police.

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